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Dec. 6th, 2006 12:40 pm
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1. E: What's a foreigner?
M: It's someone who comes from somewhere else.
E: You're a foreigner! You come from Connecticut!

2. "Until we can understand the assumptions in which we are drenched we cannot know ourselves." --Adrienne Rich

3. Drastically paraphrased from HG Gadamer and J Risser: Living language is transformative. Poetry can create a "hold upon nearness" because it is always turning back to language, that mother tongue that mediates between the familiar and the foreign. Because the poet is always leaving in search of understanding, she is always "exiled from self-understanding." One who has no roots is always wandering, and one who wanders is errant, astray. HGG says we can't understand unless we're errant. Derrida said maybe it is only foreigners who are guileless enough to ask the real questions.

4. John Logan: "Poetry is an anonymous reaching out."

5.
"...Everything is as I left it.
Dinner simmers on the stove.
Glass bowls wait to be filled
with gold broth. Springs of parsley
on the cutting board.
I want to smell this rich soup, the air
around me going dark, as stars press
their simple shapes into the sky.
I want to stay on the back porch
while the world tilts
toward sleep, until what I love
misses me, and calls me in."

--from Dorianne Laux's "On the Back Porch"

Date: 2006-12-06 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twirlingtulip.livejournal.com
I can really relate to this post. I was thinking along similar lines lately.

Date: 2006-12-07 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneroom.livejournal.com
What were you thinking?

Date: 2006-12-08 12:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twirlingtulip.livejournal.com
I have been contemplating the idea of foriegn-ness as it applies in social and cultural terms. A person from a culture can be foriegn for having different beliefs than the "norm" and a person from another culture can be foriegn for having different experiences. I was also thinking about the idea of solitude and how it relates to foriegn-ness and how being foriegn creates more pockets of space to allow for solitude wether desired or not.

2. "Until we can understand the assumptions in which we are drenched we cannot know ourselves." --Adrienne Rich- I have also been thinking lately that the things that I assume about others show my lacking experiences. Example if I assume that all college professors are difficult it shows that I have had bad experiences with college professors in the past.

3. I've also been thinking about the idea of being rootless and without a home, always traveling. I've posted recently about words also and their ability and inability to communicate and how they affect the psyche in their communication.

Date: 2006-12-08 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneroom.livejournal.com
I've been thinking a ton about solitude lately, so this is really interesting. Thanks.

Have you read any deconstructionist thought? It's all about we can't really figure much out unless we've examined the context from which we're coming.

Also, I'm drawn to a lot of Zen Buddhist texts, wherein the the instability of circumstance and of language is constantly reiterated.

Date: 2006-12-08 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] twirlingtulip.livejournal.com
no, I have not read any of those two types of works but I think I agreee with them from my personal observations. I will def. have to look them up now. :)

Date: 2006-12-06 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purejuice.livejournal.com
3. could you pinpoint the derrida quote source? it's wonderful.

Date: 2006-12-07 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneroom.livejournal.com
I'll work on it. My notes literally say:

Foreignness may = without guile
and
Derrida says it is only the foreigner who can put forth the question.

So I may have made it up. But I'll be glad to dig into some of Derrida's stuff on the foreign and poetry to see what I can come up with.

Date: 2006-12-08 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneroom.livejournal.com
Derrida's stuff about the foreigner can be found in his later essays and lectures on hospitality. I'm going looking for more today.

Date: 2006-12-08 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneroom.livejournal.com
It's connected to Levinas's thought on the Other.

Date: 2006-12-08 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneroom.livejournal.com
I thought you'd like that. :)

Date: 2006-12-07 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allegedly-cc.livejournal.com
where's the Rich from? I'd love to use that in class...

Date: 2006-12-07 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneroom.livejournal.com
That one I've got. It may or may not be from an essay called "When We Dead Awaken," and it is definitely in the book On Lies, Secrets and Silence, Norton 1979. I am a little unsure about the title of the essay itself because I picked the quote up in an essay by S. Hamill called "A Poetry of Daily Practice: Adrienne Rich, S.J. Marks, Dorianne Laux" that originally appeared in APR.

Date: 2006-12-07 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allegedly-cc.livejournal.com
Great! I have that essay!! Thanks!

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